1 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:21,550 [Music] 2 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:43,240 hello this is michael feeley and you're 3 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:44,930 listening to the paranormal UK regular 4 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:47,390 Network the UK's biggest paranormal 5 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:49,190 Network and this is paranormal 6 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:52,310 dimensions with David Young well thank 7 00:00:57,580 --> 00:00:53,630 you for letting my called as a very nice 8 00:01:01,900 --> 00:00:57,590 intro right hello everybody welcome to 9 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:01,910 another parallel dimension show got a 10 00:01:05,110 --> 00:01:03,740 young man for you today mr. Tom 11 00:01:09,070 --> 00:01:05,120 Warrington I'm going to introduce in a 12 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:09,080 moment but before I do that yeah as you 13 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:10,580 know I've started doing calls out for 14 00:01:15,070 --> 00:01:13,550 people so this is this is today's three 15 00:01:17,050 --> 00:01:15,080 or four just put this shows three I 16 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:17,060 should say really I'm going to give a 17 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:19,880 call out for Mont Westbury in Nottingham 18 00:01:26,170 --> 00:01:23,810 UK good gonna give a call out for 19 00:01:28,180 --> 00:01:26,180 William Poole in a good friend in San 20 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:28,190 Antonio Texas who was a guest from here 21 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:30,650 previously I think he is a goodness and 22 00:01:35,410 --> 00:01:33,410 occasionally and they're gonna give us a 23 00:01:39,570 --> 00:01:35,420 call that was Stephie grant Douglas 24 00:01:42,430 --> 00:01:39,580 other main UK riots now as I said the 25 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:42,440 young man named Tom Warrington he's 26 00:01:45,669 --> 00:01:44,150 become a little bit of a mate he's got 27 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:45,679 your hands he's got his other he's got a 28 00:01:51,730 --> 00:01:49,340 radio show his own which he has on a 29 00:01:55,210 --> 00:01:51,740 different network I might say but we're 30 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:55,220 all friends so it's not a problem so I'm 31 00:01:58,779 --> 00:01:57,020 walking you can hear him laughing in the 32 00:02:03,999 --> 00:01:58,789 background yes so I'm going to say hello 33 00:02:09,609 --> 00:02:04,009 to Tom welcome to the a called your 34 00:02:13,630 --> 00:02:09,619 Michael deep no thank you for inviting 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:13,640 me to the show and it's a bit strange 36 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:16,130 you know turning the tables as it were 37 00:02:21,610 --> 00:02:19,190 cuz it's normally me doing it so as you 38 00:02:25,860 --> 00:02:21,620 know I ended up on this show through 39 00:02:30,130 --> 00:02:25,870 your show because always on your show so 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:30,140 it's kinda it's like I said before I'd 41 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:30,770 never 42 00:02:37,180 --> 00:02:34,160 own show at the beginning of this year 43 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:37,190 but it kind of works out that way from 44 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:40,610 being on your show because but anyway 45 00:02:49,390 --> 00:02:46,130 this is your show not washer talk about 46 00:02:51,820 --> 00:02:49,400 my radio show a little later I'm sure 47 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:51,830 but if I may up I wanted to kind of turn 48 00:02:56,970 --> 00:02:54,670 the clocks back now and 49 00:02:58,650 --> 00:02:56,980 tell you all a bit how I became involved 50 00:03:00,300 --> 00:02:58,660 in what I'm doing at the minute 51 00:03:05,699 --> 00:03:00,310 well you beat me because all the bets 52 00:03:10,410 --> 00:03:05,709 who asked you that so well you know we 53 00:03:15,330 --> 00:03:10,420 go in 26 years now back and an infamous 54 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:15,340 program was aired on the BBC and called 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:18,640 ghost watch which some of you may may 56 00:03:24,839 --> 00:03:21,370 have not heard of written by a guy 57 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:24,849 called Stephen Volk who was actually 58 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:27,310 appeared on one of my radio shows and 59 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:29,410 very early days the pure paranormal show 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:34,769 and it was basically a mockumentary 61 00:03:38,610 --> 00:03:36,730 basically David have you heard of this 62 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:38,620 ghost watch program I have a 63 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:40,450 mockumentary yeah I think I do i do 64 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:42,370 remember something to do with it only 65 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:44,560 some imagining something but I do it 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:45,489 does sound familiar 67 00:03:53,309 --> 00:03:50,410 yeah well it was aired on Halloween and 68 00:03:57,990 --> 00:03:53,319 it was done like a alive probably yes 69 00:04:00,360 --> 00:03:58,000 no I do remember it yeah I mean I 70 00:04:02,340 --> 00:04:00,370 probably remember it that this sort of 71 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:02,350 thing was unheard of so it was very 72 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:07,380 fresh very raw and I was quite young I 73 00:04:11,789 --> 00:04:10,690 was allowed to watch this program and I 74 00:04:15,539 --> 00:04:11,799 don't know what my parents are thinking 75 00:04:20,069 --> 00:04:15,549 because you know it led onto what I'm 76 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:20,079 doing up to this point in time and to be 77 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:20,979 honest it scared the living daylights 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:26,650 out of me it was it was so real daddy 79 00:04:32,190 --> 00:04:28,570 kind of an awesome Will's but we've 80 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:32,200 ghosts and things hidden they like it 81 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:36,610 was like a joke it was a joke it was 82 00:04:41,790 --> 00:04:39,400 only of weeks later that they kind of 83 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:41,800 announced the show was it was a hoax but 84 00:04:48,510 --> 00:04:46,600 some fortunately I did the right on my 85 00:04:51,570 --> 00:04:48,520 show and and he said it was actually 86 00:04:53,310 --> 00:04:51,580 based and they wrote it around the 87 00:04:56,909 --> 00:04:53,320 Enfield haunting which happened back in 88 00:05:00,420 --> 00:04:56,919 the 70s ami ones who like so it was very 89 00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:00,430 ritzy very real and it was filmed in you 90 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:03,220 know in a normal families home and they 91 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:05,610 were plagued by poltergeist activity and 92 00:05:11,130 --> 00:05:08,710 I was actually transfixed 93 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:11,140 fight but absolutely transfixed to what 94 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:14,890 was happening and it raised so many 95 00:05:20,790 --> 00:05:17,560 questions and I at the time at that age 96 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:20,800 I was aware of ghosts as it were and I 97 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:24,310 don't really like that label nobody 98 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:26,740 knows what a ghost is I suppose it's a 99 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:28,870 terminology we've used to kind of 100 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:30,970 simplify something that we don't 101 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:34,240 understand but yeah I'll be back to that 102 00:05:39,090 --> 00:05:36,610 show I mean it changed everything for me 103 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:39,100 really it we really did I mean I do 104 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:44,830 sleep for days as you've been talking 105 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:46,810 about it here's actually come back to me 106 00:06:03,020 --> 00:05:48,070 now do remember it being 107 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:05,100 yeah I think it might well have been at 108 00:06:08,850 --> 00:06:06,940 work or some a lot more class ball wind 109 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:08,860 and flight for our us listeners on 110 00:06:13,610 --> 00:06:10,240 people around the world Bach Les Paul 111 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:13,620 was okay a TV presenter I'm here at UK I 112 00:06:22,010 --> 00:06:17,110 think actually it was my parking it was 113 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:22,020 Michael Parkinson and Sarah green yes 114 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:25,240 right eggshells was featured on it as 115 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:26,950 well he was kind of like interviewing 116 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:28,750 the people in the street and stuff like 117 00:06:36,420 --> 00:06:31,990 that and the actual poltergeist or the 118 00:06:39,810 --> 00:06:36,430 ghosts the kids named as pipes which 119 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:39,820 when you look at the the program back 120 00:06:44,630 --> 00:06:41,290 because you can actually buy it on DVD 121 00:06:47,460 --> 00:06:44,640 it's it's very rare actually to get 122 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:47,470 people in America because it was the 123 00:06:52,710 --> 00:06:50,560 anniversary I think last year and I 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:52,720 think the rereleased the DVD as it were 125 00:06:59,370 --> 00:06:56,890 and people went crazy over again but say 126 00:07:02,910 --> 00:06:59,380 there was actually someone commits 127 00:07:06,570 --> 00:07:02,920 suicide over the from the program I mean 128 00:07:10,110 --> 00:07:06,580 it had that much of an impact on people 129 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:10,120 because it was so believable you know it 130 00:07:15,780 --> 00:07:12,370 was so raw it was filmed in such a way 131 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:15,790 that never been done before on British 132 00:07:20,970 --> 00:07:18,580 television so you know it made a massive 133 00:07:22,230 --> 00:07:20,980 impact and I'm sure it's but lot of 134 00:07:24,570 --> 00:07:22,240 other people's interest 135 00:07:27,150 --> 00:07:24,580 in the paranormal as well and it was 136 00:07:30,270 --> 00:07:27,160 fantastic to get what the writer who did 137 00:07:33,659 --> 00:07:30,280 the show on my show because he explained 138 00:07:35,930 --> 00:07:33,669 it was based on the Enfield haunting and 139 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:35,940 he had spoke to Guilin and playfair 140 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:39,370 Moorish gross when they were writing the 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:42,250 show and they wanted to make it as real 142 00:07:49,159 --> 00:07:44,530 as possible and so they held they had to 143 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:49,169 help amazing investigators from the SPR 144 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:52,210 this is Tim psychical research and you 145 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:54,250 know which probably made it a bit more 146 00:08:01,529 --> 00:07:57,330 kind of yeah had a bit more umph to it 147 00:08:05,969 --> 00:08:01,539 it was some yeah I mean I guess a it had 148 00:08:17,159 --> 00:08:05,979 a huge huge implications as to what I'm 149 00:08:19,439 --> 00:08:17,169 doing today really but that really did 150 00:08:24,059 --> 00:08:19,449 generate the initial spark but then 151 00:08:26,850 --> 00:08:24,069 freeze later from that that infamous 152 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:26,860 show being aired on Halloween I received 153 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:29,289 a book now this is a bit of a strange 154 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:32,560 book to give a young child really and my 155 00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:37,270 uncle bless him he is a great guy it was 156 00:08:43,319 --> 00:08:40,479 an artist you know he's done a lot of 157 00:08:47,850 --> 00:08:43,329 things in life he gave me this book and 158 00:08:49,949 --> 00:08:47,860 now this was a strange but true case 159 00:08:51,930 --> 00:08:49,959 book so yeah I'm sure many this is 160 00:08:56,490 --> 00:08:51,940 probably known if that was Michael Aspel 161 00:09:00,180 --> 00:08:56,500 I believe who introduced that show and 162 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:00,190 the case book was the the book I got was 163 00:09:05,730 --> 00:09:02,800 actually full case book of the Enfield 164 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:05,740 haunting or the Enfield poltergeist as 165 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:10,570 it was known back then so that initially 166 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:14,050 kind of propelled me and was a big 167 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:17,140 catalyst for my entry into the 168 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:21,250 supernatural because this case was well 169 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:24,310 it's probably one of the best documented 170 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:29,560 no to guys cases in in the world now you 171 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:30,940 know there's a lot of skepticism over 172 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:33,490 whether a lot of the activity was fate 173 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:35,410 but there's no doubt in my mind I've 174 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:35,920 actually met 175 00:09:42,569 --> 00:09:38,980 guyline and playfair God rest his soul 176 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:42,579 at the Gulf's mr. universe see he did a 177 00:09:47,509 --> 00:09:44,610 talk there on the Enfield haunting and 178 00:09:49,829 --> 00:09:47,519 you know I've got a lot of his books 179 00:09:53,069 --> 00:09:49,839 I've actually followed him throughout my 180 00:09:56,910 --> 00:09:53,079 life and interest in the paranormal I 181 00:09:59,340 --> 00:09:56,920 think he's possibly the best psychical 182 00:10:02,730 --> 00:09:59,350 research and there is and he's roped 183 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:02,740 some amazing pieces I'm pulled two guys 184 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:04,810 specifically pulled advice well you know 185 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:06,760 you just upset a few people live or 186 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:11,500 saying that don't you well a lot of 187 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:22,750 people to be honest I don't think there 188 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:24,910 should be any egos in this anyway I mean 189 00:10:28,650 --> 00:10:26,860 you will we've all got opinions about 190 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:28,660 who we think are the best researchers 191 00:10:34,350 --> 00:10:32,050 and things like that against the ego 192 00:10:36,660 --> 00:10:34,360 thing in this and field because we're 193 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:36,670 all in it together we should all be 194 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:39,220 trying to help each other anyway so well 195 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:43,390 unfortunately it's not like that as you 196 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:45,670 know I'm pretty much against frauds and 197 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:49,470 lawyers in this field as I know you are 198 00:10:54,990 --> 00:10:52,660 yeah of course I mean you know I've been 199 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:55,000 doing this for a long time now and I met 200 00:11:00,530 --> 00:10:58,290 a lot of people a long journey and 201 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:00,540 unfortunately I've come across some 202 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:04,360 half-wits and frauds you know it goes to 203 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:06,250 be engaged with every territory not just 204 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:08,290 the paranormal you college either to 205 00:11:13,889 --> 00:11:10,690 zoology it's every every walk of life 206 00:11:15,780 --> 00:11:13,899 unfortunately and it's how we cope with 207 00:11:18,630 --> 00:11:15,790 it ins how we deal with it's how we move 208 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:18,640 on from it and is this the thing you 209 00:11:26,069 --> 00:11:22,630 know but yeah it's a it said that the 210 00:11:29,579 --> 00:11:26,079 book really really did ping it off for 211 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:29,589 me because there from then on because I 212 00:11:36,090 --> 00:11:32,350 live in rural Lincolnshire and we we're 213 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:36,100 very privileged to have you know bomber 214 00:11:44,009 --> 00:11:39,610 County as it were based here so lots of 215 00:11:47,370 --> 00:11:44,019 RAF bases lots of abandoned RAF 216 00:11:49,380 --> 00:11:47,380 locations and supposedly haunted watched 217 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:49,390 at where I am because I mean 218 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:51,550 the rural suffer can we've got the old 219 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:52,930 us basis here 220 00:12:01,200 --> 00:11:57,760 yeah very very similar and so as a child 221 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:01,210 you know I was spoiled for choice really 222 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:03,940 and if this was prior to all these 223 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:07,030 ghosts on in companies that we see so 224 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:10,750 much of now none of that back then there 225 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:13,890 was very limited access to information 226 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:16,720 internet was probably very limited at 227 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:19,090 the time probably two days to get 228 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:23,740 connected and stuff like limited to 229 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:25,870 basic newspaper articles and 230 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:28,810 word-of-mouth really but that didn't 231 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:30,700 stop me as a child you know we was 232 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:34,180 knocking on doors asking people who said 233 00:12:42,630 --> 00:12:39,010 go you must have got some startled looks 234 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:42,640 at some oh yes yeah I did but then you 235 00:12:47,430 --> 00:12:45,010 know we had some really intrigued people 236 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:47,440 who shared the stories and you know that 237 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:50,680 really kind of fascinated me even more 238 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:53,950 and do you know it's all about you know 239 00:12:59,010 --> 00:12:55,810 I've done quite a few different things 240 00:13:01,500 --> 00:12:59,020 within the paranormal and the best thing 241 00:13:03,570 --> 00:13:01,510 about it all is meeting people and share 242 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:03,580 and listening to experiences being 243 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:05,770 because it's fantastic I mean I was at 244 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:07,120 an event last night I should talk about 245 00:13:12,330 --> 00:13:09,550 later and you know just talking to 246 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:12,340 people it is it's fantastic and it's 247 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:15,700 fascinating it really is and yeah long 248 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:18,310 may it continue suppose you like me 249 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:21,600 we've met some lovely friends that we're 250 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:25,930 friends because it's just a lovely we've 251 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:30,520 met a few weirdos as well obviously you 252 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:32,590 tend to phone you tend to poor people 253 00:13:36,210 --> 00:13:34,840 who people there's a few weird so that 254 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:36,220 you think well don't want anything to do 255 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:39,430 with those really and lawyers and but 256 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:41,530 you do tend to find a list of people you 257 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:43,510 you know you can trust you know what 258 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:46,570 they're telling you is the truth and as 259 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:50,290 far as they know it is I mean it's you 260 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:52,030 know any bomb interrupt you know let you 261 00:13:59,070 --> 00:13:56,890 carry all boards down to the trust 262 00:14:02,040 --> 00:13:59,080 factor as well and I think there's a 263 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:02,050 lack of that in a lot of groups that 264 00:14:05,819 --> 00:14:03,310 I've seen 265 00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:05,829 cuz I get kindly invited but this is off 266 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:07,839 the cuff from the pure paranoia radio 267 00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:09,910 show I get invited to a lot of events 268 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:12,069 which is actually amazing so grateful 269 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:15,220 but it's nice to see how different 270 00:14:20,189 --> 00:14:17,740 groups and organizations kind of work 271 00:14:22,829 --> 00:14:20,199 and the methodology of how they 272 00:14:24,749 --> 00:14:22,839 construct an event because they're not 273 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:24,759 investigations I do want to put that out 274 00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:26,290 there these these nights that you pay 275 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:29,199 for that they're great as an insight to 276 00:14:35,460 --> 00:14:33,490 what you could possibly kind of know as 277 00:14:38,309 --> 00:14:35,470 a step to the next level if you wish to 278 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:38,319 choose but they're nowhere they're 279 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:40,600 nothing like an investigation I mean hi 280 00:14:48,449 --> 00:14:44,850 Adam and Winspear from Paris science and 281 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:48,459 those guys they know how to investigate 282 00:14:54,509 --> 00:14:51,910 they can lay a lot of data they you know 283 00:14:56,369 --> 00:14:54,519 they're there for four years at location 284 00:14:58,769 --> 00:14:56,379 now that that is that is an 285 00:15:04,350 --> 00:14:58,779 investigation yeah you know you're 286 00:15:07,230 --> 00:15:04,360 spending 48 hours and it's an event it's 287 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:07,240 a it's a go you know and I think people 288 00:15:13,319 --> 00:15:10,480 nowadays get kind of confused or led 289 00:15:14,699 --> 00:15:13,329 down the wrong way as to what what what 290 00:15:16,530 --> 00:15:14,709 they kind of mean but you know that 291 00:15:20,429 --> 00:15:16,540 that's for them to find now and that's 292 00:15:22,199 --> 00:15:20,439 how it happened for me I mean I I am got 293 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:22,209 involved with a group from Spaulding and 294 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:24,100 that's how I first started with the 295 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:28,360 ghost and scene and you know I saw it 296 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:31,540 from an event side of things so you know 297 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:33,370 it's very military lads as you've 298 00:15:38,699 --> 00:15:35,290 probably seen David on a lot of events 299 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,709 which I suppose you have to do you have 300 00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:40,480 to kind of be controlled because you 301 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:42,819 don't want every person running around 302 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:44,829 as opposed to Hornet location I think 303 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:46,389 the thing is with those things you get a 304 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:48,730 few people think something's gonna 305 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:50,529 happen straight away and of course it 306 00:15:55,139 --> 00:15:52,870 doesn't most most of those nights when 307 00:15:57,059 --> 00:15:55,149 you have a ghost no stunts you know it 308 00:15:58,499 --> 00:15:57,069 nothing happens and it gets a report 309 00:16:03,329 --> 00:15:58,509 anything you get to a point you think 310 00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:03,339 I'll go home you know you know I mean 311 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:05,620 obviously even in eight hours at a place 312 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:09,720 and still nothing happens yes I think 313 00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:13,000 I've conducted several private 314 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:15,279 investigations over the time as well and 315 00:16:18,460 --> 00:16:16,730 you know in all 316 00:16:21,370 --> 00:16:18,470 years have been doing it David I can 317 00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:21,380 honestly say to you that I could 318 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:24,860 probably count on one hand instances 319 00:16:32,139 --> 00:16:28,310 that I can't explain or still yet to 320 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:32,149 explain so that shows you a probably 321 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:36,230 true reflection of of investigating 322 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:38,660 because you know you've seen it all over 323 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:41,050 Facebook I mean some of these groups are 324 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:45,050 producing supposedly EVPs or on on a 325 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:47,300 daily occurrence and you know it's um I 326 00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:50,570 don't know I'm not you know condoning it 327 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:53,000 or whatever I'm just I just find it hard 328 00:17:02,889 --> 00:16:56,810 to kind of believe I'm either doing it 329 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:02,899 incorrectly or this also when you've got 330 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:05,240 these groups you do often have a psychic 331 00:17:08,829 --> 00:17:07,400 that there's in that group and you've 332 00:17:13,049 --> 00:17:08,839 really got to put a lot of trust within 333 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:13,059 in that psychic Avenue are they you know 334 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:15,110 bulbs doubts about the trust of the 335 00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:18,260 people that are running it I mean in the 336 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:20,390 east anglia group well you know Gary 337 00:17:25,689 --> 00:17:23,329 Bret field now yes Gary he's very 338 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:25,699 psychic and I think he's amazing to be 339 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,830 honest I've worked with several mediums 340 00:17:38,020 --> 00:17:36,080 over the years and I've come across some 341 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:38,030 fraudulent mediums it's probably over 342 00:17:45,310 --> 00:17:41,809 the south and I it's a difficult one 343 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:45,320 I think this these medium led groups are 344 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:48,530 just off the cuff from the most haunted 345 00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:53,210 shows and they see it's how they see it 346 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:54,559 on the TV and they think well that's 347 00:17:58,299 --> 00:17:56,330 that's how it should be done you know 348 00:18:00,220 --> 00:17:58,309 it's not easy you might not remember 349 00:18:04,299 --> 00:18:00,230 these programs are for entertainment 350 00:18:07,539 --> 00:18:04,309 only and they do state that start or end 351 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:07,549 of the shows and you know I think 352 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:09,770 there's a lot there's too many groups 353 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,870 now that I just it's like the blind 354 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:13,520 leading the blind in a minute you're 355 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:16,190 seeing what others do and it's the same 356 00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:19,390 and not monotonous method on do they use 357 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:22,880 and I think it's got a bit stagnant with 358 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:25,100 regards to events out on there because 359 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:29,030 it's same I get invited to a lot of 360 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:30,350 events I feel a lot 361 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,690 I used to be involved in a lot of event 362 00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:35,840 companies and it's the same stuff and it 363 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:38,720 needs fresh ideas it needs new things 364 00:18:44,650 --> 00:18:41,150 because I hear and I talk to a lot of 365 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,660 gas that you know travel the UK and you 366 00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:46,880 know it's in different teams and you 367 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:49,480 know that that they see the same things 368 00:18:54,850 --> 00:18:51,890 now I don't know whether that's because 369 00:18:58,360 --> 00:18:54,860 groups are afraid of coming away from 370 00:19:00,520 --> 00:18:58,370 that same mundane thing and the opening 371 00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:00,530 prayer at the start that they do and 372 00:19:05,409 --> 00:19:03,260 then they give a bit the talk and they 373 00:19:07,539 --> 00:19:05,419 do the human pension and all that stuff 374 00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:07,549 and there's nothing wrong with that but 375 00:19:13,450 --> 00:19:10,880 I think you know there's a lot of stuff 376 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:13,460 there's a lot of ideas especially back 377 00:19:18,399 --> 00:19:16,640 in the Harry price era that you know we 378 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:18,409 could really implicate and I think 379 00:19:24,010 --> 00:19:20,809 guests would absolutely lap it up there 380 00:19:27,010 --> 00:19:24,020 really would and I don't myself and I'm 381 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:27,020 just at this point and my co-host Barry 382 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:30,470 Barry frankish talked about a little bit 383 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:32,210 late but then we're going to be 384 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:37,010 conducting an event at the Black Swan in 385 00:19:43,450 --> 00:19:40,070 New York and we're going to go back to 386 00:19:45,789 --> 00:19:43,460 basics so we're gonna have limited 387 00:19:50,049 --> 00:19:45,799 amount of Technology and if anything 388 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:50,059 really and it's gonna be generally old 389 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:53,950 Victorian seances we've read like says 390 00:19:59,169 --> 00:19:56,090 Penn and everyone's gonna get every shoe 391 00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,179 depen and paper and generally you are 392 00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:01,760 the tool you are the piece of equipment 393 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:03,260 you are going to be relying on your 394 00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:06,230 senses and your senses only we possibly 395 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,630 will be using a camcorder to to record 396 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:10,640 you know what's what's progressing in 397 00:20:15,549 --> 00:20:13,100 the room but that is it we're not going 398 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:15,559 to be using broken radios we're not 399 00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,770 going to using k2 we're not using laser 400 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:20,720 grids rempods we don't to use any of 401 00:20:25,870 --> 00:20:23,450 that we are gonna go back to basics and 402 00:20:28,690 --> 00:20:25,880 I think a lot of people a lot of guests 403 00:20:32,169 --> 00:20:28,700 out there they do like that because you 404 00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:32,179 know when people experience things nine 405 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:33,830 times out of 10 it's not for a rem-pod 406 00:20:41,169 --> 00:20:38,390 or flashing teddy bear or whatever it's 407 00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:41,179 yourself and the element is is a big 408 00:20:44,649 --> 00:20:42,440 power 409 00:20:47,499 --> 00:20:44,659 paranormal experiences at all always say 410 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:47,509 to people what the paranormal appear you 411 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:50,840 know paranormal phenomena occur if that 412 00:20:56,980 --> 00:20:54,110 human element wasn't there hmm what's 413 00:21:01,450 --> 00:20:56,990 your opinion of things like k2 meters 414 00:21:03,789 --> 00:21:01,460 and stuff like that oh good I mean I you 415 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:03,799 know I I have had them in the past don't 416 00:21:09,129 --> 00:21:06,169 get me wrong but you know this was from 417 00:21:12,879 --> 00:21:09,139 the old ghost hunting events year yes 418 00:21:14,970 --> 00:21:12,889 and they are they are great for visual 419 00:21:18,639 --> 00:21:14,980 aids they are trained for mocking 420 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:18,649 electromagnetic fields but the problem 421 00:21:26,019 --> 00:21:24,080 is people don't understand what specific 422 00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:26,029 pieces of equipment are for they are not 423 00:21:35,019 --> 00:21:30,080 designed to search for ghosts no go 424 00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:35,029 detectors they are built for other uses 425 00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:38,360 really you know you know the EMF meters 426 00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,559 that have been so kind of in fraud in 427 00:21:47,769 --> 00:21:45,919 this kind of paranormal circus really 428 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:47,779 because there they've been used so much 429 00:21:54,129 --> 00:21:51,320 and people kind of rely and then when 430 00:21:57,369 --> 00:21:54,139 they see the lights flash we must have a 431 00:21:59,470 --> 00:21:57,379 ghost in it let's peel it back you know 432 00:22:01,090 --> 00:21:59,480 there's a number of things that set the 433 00:22:03,129 --> 00:22:01,100 he speak well I say a number there's a 434 00:22:05,499 --> 00:22:03,139 huge amount of things that set caters 435 00:22:07,749 --> 00:22:05,509 I've done experiments on them what you 436 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:07,759 set them off you know fridge you set 437 00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:10,100 them off anything even yourself 438 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:13,700 you know we it's you know it electric 439 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:17,690 pulses we do emit small charges of 440 00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,440 electricity so people do kind of get 441 00:22:26,259 --> 00:22:23,840 confused and they do get in raveled with 442 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:26,269 with with the paranormal kind of ghost 443 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,710 hunting companies you know exploiting 444 00:22:34,419 --> 00:22:32,480 and showing off the flashing lights 445 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:34,429 because let's be honest it's a great 446 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,769 thing to look at in a dark room when the 447 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:38,720 RAM pump goes off and it alarms off 448 00:22:44,259 --> 00:22:41,929 every wall gets excited but you know you 449 00:22:49,149 --> 00:22:44,269 have to kind of keep your sensible head 450 00:22:51,999 --> 00:22:49,159 on when attending any sort of and not to 451 00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:52,009 try and get too excited and too caught 452 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,720 up in the moment because it's very easy 453 00:22:58,350 --> 00:22:56,240 to do you you know 454 00:23:02,530 --> 00:22:58,360 seeing it very very often enough 455 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:02,540 especially when a bang or knock occurs 456 00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:05,090 and everybody immediately mainly 457 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:07,580 portrays it is a gang yes in some of 458 00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:08,870 these old buildings you're gonna get 459 00:23:13,690 --> 00:23:12,260 some wall movements and wood movements 460 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:13,700 and all sorts of things aren't you and 461 00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:18,530 we know some things exactly know I've 462 00:23:22,930 --> 00:23:20,900 always said this to people who've been 463 00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:22,940 with me you know I don't I don't look 464 00:23:28,090 --> 00:23:25,700 about anymore I say how is it used to be 465 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:28,100 one of these people David who I'd be 466 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:31,850 scared to kind of defend or you know 467 00:23:36,790 --> 00:23:34,250 upset people and and I have to be quite 468 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:36,800 tactful because I have a radio show and 469 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,290 I do a lot of writing as well but you 470 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:41,600 know it's got to a point now I've seen 471 00:23:48,430 --> 00:23:43,730 enough and I've seen enough kind of 472 00:23:52,299 --> 00:23:48,440 conning of people and and a misuse of 473 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,309 the paranormal really because there's a 474 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:53,840 lot of people out there that are just in 475 00:23:58,180 --> 00:23:55,670 it for the for the money oh yeah I mean 476 00:24:04,810 --> 00:23:58,190 this is people making ghost-detecting 477 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:04,820 machines ISM there and yeah and they're 478 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:05,630 not cheap either 479 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:07,190 I mean they're really they're just I 480 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:09,230 love it was just a ripple for anyway 481 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:12,890 yeah there and and again people get 482 00:24:17,950 --> 00:24:15,110 caught up in it you know and the thing 483 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,960 is these these goes from in nights and 484 00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:19,760 they're there they're all fantastic you 485 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:21,590 know don't get me wrong some really good 486 00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:23,330 groups out there and I went to it doing 487 00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:26,150 some nice people Israel but the thing is 488 00:24:30,610 --> 00:24:28,700 it's it's all about socializing well 489 00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:30,620 it's not just you go to event but you 490 00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:34,100 meet people and you know you get to know 491 00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:36,200 them and you know you go to another 492 00:24:41,169 --> 00:24:38,300 event it's like a little community for 493 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:41,179 people and it's so lovely to see people 494 00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:43,730 create friendships through this and 495 00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:45,620 that's another another positive from 496 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:48,260 these kind of events as well but the 497 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:51,530 downside to it is is that they all get 498 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:53,630 caught caught up in what they see on the 499 00:24:58,570 --> 00:24:55,820 TV or what they see on Facebook lives 500 00:25:02,049 --> 00:24:58,580 and this is what we should be doing no 501 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:02,059 you know do what you think or in fact 502 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:05,090 you if you have a personal preference or 503 00:25:09,410 --> 00:25:08,090 interest or direction to what you kind 504 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:09,420 of I mean my personal 505 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:10,830 action when I investigate his 506 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:14,130 temperature because with you if you do 507 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:17,430 research parent hauntings historically 508 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:19,410 there's always been a sense of 509 00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:22,830 temperature changes and people often you 510 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:27,180 know kind of spell temperature increases 511 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:30,270 or decreases so I specifically monitor I 512 00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:32,610 have a number of temperature loggers 513 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:37,140 that map on a 10 10 second cycle that's 514 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:40,710 record any sort of fluctuations and then 515 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,170 when I get home I can actually put that 516 00:25:48,260 --> 00:25:46,080 on the graph and I can monitor or see if 517 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:48,270 there's any trends to what people were 518 00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:50,520 actually saying at that point and that 519 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:52,470 moment in time and so that's something 520 00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:55,290 tangible that you can actually you know 521 00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,580 look at all study but you know it's I 522 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,880 don't know it's up to people's decision 523 00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:04,440 really it depends what you want if you 524 00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:07,080 want to go to an interactive scary movie 525 00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:09,660 then go to a ghost you know but if you 526 00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:11,580 want to take that that that seriousness 527 00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,100 a bit more on your Inge press then I 528 00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,400 suggest you kind of look at a SAP or the 529 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:20,400 SPR and you know they do some great 530 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:22,800 events and great talks and some great 531 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:25,530 workshops and you know you will see the 532 00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:26,970 difference from going from one of those 533 00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,660 events to a ghost of majority but quite 534 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:35,400 a lot a lot of people only go to what 535 00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,020 might be one of it just to see what it's 536 00:26:41,030 --> 00:26:39,360 like isn't it you know they expect a lot 537 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:41,040 of things that so happen and then they 538 00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,570 get I think well nothing happened on 539 00:26:48,770 --> 00:26:45,720 there and they don't bother again I 540 00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:48,780 don't you know and that's that's the 541 00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:51,990 media's fault the media paints a true 542 00:26:59,120 --> 00:26:55,830 picture of what paranormal investigators 543 00:27:01,790 --> 00:26:59,130 do you know don't lot of work that goes 544 00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:01,800 into parallel investigating when you're 545 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:04,230 conducting it correctly there's a lot of 546 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:06,590 research there's a lot of interviewing 547 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,320 and you know these events teams just 548 00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:12,720 hire out supposedly haunted locations 549 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:15,420 give you a little bit of history a bit 550 00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:17,100 of equipment and away you go 551 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:19,500 you know there's nothing wrong with that 552 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:21,330 but if you want to take it a bit more 553 00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,890 seriously 554 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:25,679 there's a lot of there's a lot of good 555 00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,380 groups out there that you know will kind 556 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:30,299 of guide you in the right direction is 557 00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:31,770 it work yeah well we're not quite like 558 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:33,750 the show's most halted and things like 559 00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:33,960 that 560 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:36,120 mostly because of the history they give 561 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:38,250 you at the beginning of the show you 562 00:27:42,610 --> 00:27:39,540 know if that's what that's the most 563 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,620 interesting part of it for me you know 564 00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:45,000 what may have happened in the past and 565 00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:46,620 totally knew where the posies and all 566 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:47,220 that sort of stuff 567 00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,690 that's what I find the most interesting 568 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:50,880 probably the most of what's happening 569 00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:53,640 within the show is probably be s problem 570 00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:58,799 over here but yeah I mean yeah most on 571 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:00,870 it is it's it's the double-edged sword 572 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:03,809 as we often say you know I mean I think 573 00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:06,360 they do think it does happen but 574 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:07,740 unfortunately I think they've been 575 00:28:11,299 --> 00:28:09,570 caught out once or twice for things that 576 00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:11,309 have been fate 7i 577 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:18,559 I'd say more twice day well I've had 578 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:22,370 I've had Kiran Kiran okie from Muskogee 579 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:25,049 Nevada when I've spoke to Steve Parsons 580 00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:28,110 who's been almost torn in Barry John as 581 00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:29,880 well who's been almost I've been on 582 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:32,790 event with him and he you know these are 583 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:36,240 all great people but you know this show 584 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:38,910 when it originally started I mean it 585 00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:41,850 actually sparked a huge influx of 586 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:45,419 interest from the public it brought the 587 00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:49,080 supernatural to the forefront Paul's 588 00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:51,780 lives you know and it opened that it 589 00:29:04,240 --> 00:28:55,230 opened up a massive kind of area of 590 00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:08,180 I mean people probably to me now are you 591 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:10,470 slate it off all the time Tom I do say 592 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:13,710 that because on the back of that the 593 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:15,510 only other other side of the sword is 594 00:29:20,539 --> 00:29:18,450 it's had a really negative impact on the 595 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,549 smaller groups the lone investigators 596 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:22,320 that I'm alone investigating I'm not 597 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:24,809 part of any group I investigate on my 598 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:29,490 own and it's it's had a damaging effect 599 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:33,690 to locations I mean I've got a lovely 600 00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:34,890 young lady who's coming on the show and 601 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:36,750 28 from a and 602 00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,840 she's got a local little group David and 603 00:29:44,769 --> 00:29:42,179 you know she can't gain any locations 604 00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,779 anymore because the prices yeah I just 605 00:29:49,399 --> 00:29:47,279 on hiked up and hiked on and this is on 606 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:49,409 the stem of most thought if most would 607 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:51,870 have been there you can expect to pay in 608 00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:53,850 the exceed of a thousand pounds and some 609 00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:57,779 locations linked Lincoln Castle now 610 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:00,600 stands about two thousand pounds for one 611 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:01,049 night 612 00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,690 this is astronomical Alex ridiculous you 613 00:30:08,869 --> 00:30:05,700 know and it and it and it stops the 614 00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:08,879 little groups enjoying these fantastic 615 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:12,059 locations and and you know that that's 616 00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,769 what really annoys me because I've been 617 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:15,299 on the backside of that I had my own 618 00:30:20,659 --> 00:30:17,370 group based in Nottingham many years ago 619 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:20,669 and we struggled we really did struggle 620 00:30:25,249 --> 00:30:22,830 getting location because of the prices 621 00:30:28,999 --> 00:30:25,259 but there again we found some little 622 00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:29,009 gems you know and actually a story I 623 00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,240 must have missed her 624 00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:33,179 oh you are so cute a location and I can 625 00:30:38,869 --> 00:30:36,419 tell is the stone stone beau guild hall 626 00:30:42,379 --> 00:30:38,879 in Lincoln never been investigated 627 00:30:45,259 --> 00:30:42,389 before until we got there and we did a 628 00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:45,269 night for charity and the Lincoln mayor 629 00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:48,120 attended it was absolutely fantastic so 630 00:30:54,619 --> 00:30:49,980 we were so honored and privileged to be 631 00:30:58,659 --> 00:30:54,629 there and two days later I received a 632 00:31:05,240 --> 00:30:58,669 message from somebody from most haunted 633 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:05,250 asking me about the location you know 634 00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:07,590 them I knew what was going on I knew 635 00:31:13,249 --> 00:31:10,220 what we were trying to get out and I 636 00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,259 didn't give him much information I don't 637 00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:15,419 think they've been there but so you know 638 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:17,940 I thought if they if they actually went 639 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:20,190 to that location I mean it would stop 640 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:23,490 many more teams and individuals getting 641 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:25,529 inside and I thought I'm not you the 642 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:29,940 pleasure of that so it's a double-edged 643 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:31,769 sword managed towards it isn't it really 644 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:33,330 I mean you may lose these as they've got 645 00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:36,600 now they can't be that many places they 646 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:38,190 have they don't know about hold of the 647 00:31:44,629 --> 00:31:41,850 hope but we're blessed in the UK we 648 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:44,639 really are I mean I've traveled all over 649 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:47,010 the UK and there are apps and I've been 650 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:49,410 to some amazing locations 651 00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:51,810 she got some really really interesting 652 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:54,900 locations Ryan my doorstep pressing Paul 653 00:32:01,280 --> 00:31:57,510 Barnes which is one of the last 654 00:32:04,780 --> 00:32:01,290 remaining sites and buildings of the 655 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:04,790 Knights Templar which I regularly visit 656 00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:08,690 amazing location and people witnessing 657 00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:12,180 monks and all sorts of this location and 658 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:13,860 that that's literally down the road for 659 00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:15,510 me and of course the Haunted watch 660 00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:17,100 towers as well that I've got on the 661 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:20,550 doorstep belts and house is another one 662 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:22,920 of my favorite places so yeah we're 663 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:25,110 quite privileged in the UK David I'm I 664 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:27,450 suppose with we've got quite a lot of 665 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:29,250 locations yeah about to join you on one 666 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,750 of your house one these days for one 667 00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:32,460 even if investigations we have to shall 668 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:37,320 fix something up I've got so much going 669 00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:39,990 on this year a lot of events that might 670 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:43,740 end in and you know must must mention 671 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:48,150 the guys last night she went to the King 672 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,410 Edward the seventh school at Colville so 673 00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:54,000 that was a public event and that was 674 00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:55,860 fantastic I've never actually done an 675 00:33:01,160 --> 00:32:59,460 old Victorian school before so that was 676 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:01,170 that was really really interesting 677 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:03,570 so the guys at UK paranormal Knights 678 00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:05,250 they were really nice really looked 679 00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:09,900 after me and yeah I'm suffering today 680 00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:13,500 though it's the ghost ghost hunters 681 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:24,030 hangover yeah we're doing one in a 682 00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:28,770 couple of weeks first of June the rum 683 00:33:37,670 --> 00:33:33,390 tower in Norfolk oh right the East 684 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:37,680 Anglia group you know with the Gary you 685 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:40,710 know that goes to be quite good you've 686 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:45,510 been yeah I've been kindly enough to be 687 00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:47,490 invited along to some of their events as 688 00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:51,990 well I think I did an actual live show a 689 00:33:58,820 --> 00:33:55,350 live radio show from the coronation hall 690 00:34:00,920 --> 00:33:58,830 oh yes yeah so they didn't know they did 691 00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,930 a public event there now that was great 692 00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,120 because that was a first 693 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:05,580 live show we disappear powerful Roadshow 694 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:08,490 condemned it was weird yeah we were 695 00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:10,110 invited to go to that but I think we 696 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:11,700 would do something else at the time I 697 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:17,040 couldn't do it there was a good turnout 698 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:19,649 and and the base camp I had the radio 699 00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:22,050 set up in there and I kind of in to be 700 00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,350 the guest and and stuff was going on it 701 00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:26,960 was great it was really weird 702 00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:30,740 yeah it's really nice and we've done the 703 00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:34,830 goodness of the church Farm Museum 704 00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:38,070 skegness right yeah that's that's 705 00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:49,490 cancelled that that got polls yeah yeah 706 00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:53,580 Sean cabin and Vivian pal the organizer 707 00:34:59,660 --> 00:34:56,840 this is for someone named rings I don't 708 00:35:03,650 --> 00:34:59,670 lack of interest I believe it was Dave 709 00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,660 it they yeah they pulled it so we were 710 00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,060 thinking about going no there's almost 711 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:08,220 no telling everything and then we 712 00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,170 decided not to do it but I think it for 713 00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,000 I can't think what for I think there was 714 00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:13,680 something else going on again but you 715 00:35:20,060 --> 00:35:16,260 know right that's the reason we pulled 716 00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,070 out of it's a shame yeah I know I was 717 00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:23,520 invited to do the radio coverage again 718 00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:25,140 because I did it for the first year at 719 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:30,350 oh goodness me crashing temple bar yes 720 00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:32,990 that's very good so I did the whole 721 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:36,030 weekend to that and added to add in to 722 00:35:41,330 --> 00:35:38,690 talks as well which is very honored and 723 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:41,340 happy but I saw you last wasn't it well 724 00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:43,110 I just sort of say you've been in 725 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:48,390 passing the next one very manic that one 726 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:49,950 because it was too because obviously 727 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:52,650 they as the way they conducted it was 728 00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,930 they you had speakers in two different 729 00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,240 locations at same time I'm so it's very 730 00:36:03,760 --> 00:35:59,940 difficult to kind of get round everybody 731 00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:05,840 unfortunately you can't see all can you 732 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:10,980 do that but no I missed Malcolm 733 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:14,490 Robinson's talk because I was doing a 734 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:16,810 agen of a great guy 735 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:20,170 it's been on the show and I think he was 736 00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:21,430 more second guessed it so you would have 737 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:25,480 started doing this yeah actually we had 738 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:28,090 really good talk powerful listen you 739 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,140 know he's he's another chap who you know 740 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,760 I've got a lot of time for a lot respect 741 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:35,440 and what he does because he's a good 742 00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:37,660 researcher as well and and you know 743 00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:39,190 people like that 744 00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:41,590 that there's not many researchers like 745 00:36:46,890 --> 00:36:44,800 that now in the UK because as you know 746 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:46,900 David it's all about the egos and the 747 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:50,290 live feeds the minute not with everybody 748 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:52,180 I must say I mean I don't think 749 00:37:00,570 --> 00:36:57,970 Malcolm's got an ego saying you know you 750 00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:00,580 know researchers like himself 751 00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:03,550 there's hardly anyone now like that and 752 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:05,320 so most of the people that do actually 753 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:07,210 know or get you involved we haven't got 754 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:10,300 an ego you know it's there are a few 755 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:12,490 that you do know about you tend to avoid 756 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:15,070 them you know because that's all they're 757 00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,090 all about yeah well unfortunately you 758 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,800 know especially in the kind of haunting 759 00:37:25,950 --> 00:37:23,440 car the side of things paranormal it's 760 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:25,960 it's rife at the minute and you know 761 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:27,730 because others are seeing others do it 762 00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,180 it's causing another X mini explosion of 763 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:34,240 look at me like my page Jeremih page 764 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:38,770 culture and it's it's really not good 765 00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:41,710 it's because people see this as the 766 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:45,220 thing to do and the the correct way to 767 00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:47,890 conduct yourself on an investigation and 768 00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,100 you know I I mean there is benefits to 769 00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:53,200 it I mean some people say well some 770 00:38:01,860 --> 00:37:55,000 people can't get to investigations so 771 00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:01,870 live feeds and brilliant or afford these 772 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:05,230 things exactly about that is fantastic 773 00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:08,770 but on the flip side to it these people 774 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:11,260 are given a platform they're given a 775 00:38:16,530 --> 00:38:14,410 stage and with that there you can see 776 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:16,540 their egos getting bigger and bigger and 777 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:19,810 bigger and unfortunately I think it's 778 00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:22,210 having a bit of a negative effect on the 779 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:24,520 paranormal to be fair social media yeah 780 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:27,850 yes okay that's my pick I think there'd 781 00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,400 be a few people out there that would say 782 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:32,079 would accuse me of that because because 783 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,270 I've started this radio show up I mean I 784 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:36,640 don't get paid for it you don't get paid 785 00:38:38,819 --> 00:38:37,930 for your II know I do it for the 786 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:38,829 interest help it 787 00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:43,210 and yes involved I mean as I always say 788 00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:44,980 is the people that I have on this their 789 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:49,599 show not mine you know I'm torn actually 790 00:38:56,010 --> 00:38:51,369 learn the same as you are and the same 791 00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:56,020 as most of us would be probably no less 792 00:39:00,359 --> 00:38:57,250 to most people to come on the show 793 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:00,369 actually you know most of the subjects 794 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:04,270 we are talking about I want to learn 795 00:39:08,819 --> 00:39:05,470 from it and I want to meet these people 796 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:08,829 so you know yeah yeah exactly and cuz 797 00:39:12,569 --> 00:39:10,450 I've mentioned and start the show 798 00:39:14,539 --> 00:39:12,579 it's all about the people the person 799 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:14,549 interaction you know meeting new people 800 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:17,410 sharing their experiences learning off 801 00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:20,170 of the people that's that is the way to 802 00:39:23,970 --> 00:39:22,660 kind of go forward I believe in the 803 00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:23,980 parallel because there's not a lot of 804 00:39:28,529 --> 00:39:25,390 sharing of information 805 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:28,539 there's not many groups that it's very 806 00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:30,250 limited the groups that talk to each 807 00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:32,500 other or interact with each other which 808 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:34,299 is such a shame because we can learn a 809 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:36,190 lot of future I mean I've been doing it 810 00:39:40,019 --> 00:39:37,990 for a long time now and I'm learning I'm 811 00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:40,029 learning stuff to this day you know and 812 00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:40,950 that's what it's all about 813 00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:48,940 yeah well on the show so far it's nice 814 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:50,380 getting to know people as well you know 815 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:52,089 you know when I'll see you an event now 816 00:40:12,859 --> 00:39:53,529 figure out how it's on and we know each 817 00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:15,690 yeah well I've started writing a book 818 00:40:21,779 --> 00:40:18,220 and it's probably this some of them 819 00:40:28,549 --> 00:40:21,789 released and would be bored of me it's 820 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:28,559 hit every time it's in the process and 821 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:31,690 yeah I it's been on the back burner for 822 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:33,730 a long long time unfortunately I do 823 00:40:39,029 --> 00:40:36,190 write for a number of different 824 00:40:41,609 --> 00:40:39,039 magazines as well sort of articles which 825 00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:41,619 takes a lot of time as you probably know 826 00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:44,140 writing can be quite tedious 827 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:45,580 actual magazine I think you've done 828 00:40:51,570 --> 00:40:48,010 quite a lot for of you so yeah yeah 829 00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:51,580 massively supernatural and I did several 830 00:40:58,500 --> 00:40:56,140 articles for was it what's the one God 831 00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:58,510 or is it haunted magazine there is a 832 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:01,980 haunted magazine yeah yeah then their 833 00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:04,510 paranormal hauntings a fifth those are 834 00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:07,150 quite for quite a for you actually got 835 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:08,680 rid of quite a lot of articles to be 836 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:11,740 fair so yeah the books yeah the book 837 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:15,070 will be will be complete I suppose 838 00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:23,910 probably next year there's a few people 839 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,300 because I think you've got the knowledge 840 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:34,720 I mean you've been in the business for 841 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:37,120 long enough now you should be thank you 842 00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,170 I'm saying 843 00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:41,440 I'm sure you will get it eventually it 844 00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,350 just it just felt wrong like to do it 845 00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,240 because I thought I've seen it I've seen 846 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:48,160 a hell of a lot David oh no just just 847 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:50,500 that initial interest that started on 848 00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:54,280 Halloween in 1992 to this day I've seen 849 00:41:59,970 --> 00:41:58,000 a lot I've seen ghost hunting companies 850 00:42:03,720 --> 00:41:59,980 I've been involved started Mia I started 851 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,730 my own group to write in articles to 852 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:06,400 start in the radio show to investigate 853 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:11,170 on me oh it's so you could say I've got 854 00:42:19,410 --> 00:42:16,050 a big wide spectrum of experiences of 855 00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:19,420 people and you know and I think it was a 856 00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:22,060 I thought it was about time that I kind 857 00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,440 of put my ideology to pen to paper kind 858 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:29,440 of thing and hopefully you know it 859 00:42:33,830 --> 00:42:30,910 should be a good read because there's 860 00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:33,840 some amazing paranormal books up there 861 00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:36,700 but a lot of it though is kind of the 862 00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:39,660 same sort of thing so like people can't 863 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:43,240 write about their kind of area which is 864 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,310 great but you know I've seen a lot of 865 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:47,200 that over the years but I kind of want 866 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:50,170 to do a bit of a twist on mine and it's 867 00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:52,810 gonna kind of involve the reader as it 868 00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:55,420 were and I've been trying to I've 869 00:43:00,540 --> 00:42:57,310 actually got quite a few and 870 00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:00,550 gnome stories and experiences from 871 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:04,000 people that approached me and I'm going 872 00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:05,740 to include in the book and it's good I 873 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:08,470 kind of involve the reader so when 874 00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:09,970 you're reading it you're gonna get it I 875 00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:12,940 don't get to enjoy it you're gonna have 876 00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:15,340 you're gonna have decisions to make in 877 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:18,070 the book kind of thing so yeah it's 878 00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:19,720 gonna be different I don't think it's 879 00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:21,960 been done before so hopefully it will be 880 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:37,410 involves the rune stead of you kind of 881 00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:39,490 reading oh you know there was a haunting 882 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,150 here in a in the 1800s and footsteps are 883 00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:44,800 still her to this day it's not going to 884 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:46,660 be like that you are gonna get a bit of 885 00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:48,970 a bit of that to paint the picture but 886 00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:51,880 ultimately you you're gonna have to kind 887 00:44:05,880 --> 00:43:54,040 of think for yourself when you read the 888 00:44:09,830 --> 00:44:05,890 book hopefully yeah of course yeah so 889 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:09,840 when I I started to group up with 890 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:14,890 somebody who lives in Nottingham and the 891 00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:17,490 group still doing well to this day and 892 00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:20,620 you know I wish them all the best we 893 00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:23,950 were invited to a private investigation 894 00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:26,940 in a place called a B that's any being Y 895 00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:31,750 in the Lincolnshire walls the family 896 00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:34,990 were let's say we're absolutely 897 00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:37,750 petrified and from all accounts from the 898 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:41,980 initial first contact from the family to 899 00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:46,260 the group owner they were experiencing a 900 00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:49,180 platform for nomina that really you know 901 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,160 kind of cooked up our interests as it 902 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:54,160 were so they had things disappearing and 903 00:45:01,200 --> 00:44:57,790 reappearing for their eyes that they had 904 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:01,210 a pause the children and were witnessing 905 00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,690 full-bodied apparitions they had the 906 00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:06,640 telltale signs of what we classist 907 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:10,120 poltergeist phenomena now when we 908 00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:10,930 arrived 909 00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:15,400 the location the the family you David 910 00:45:18,359 --> 00:45:16,630 you probably good judge of character 911 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:18,369 when you're talking to people who 912 00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:21,609 experience stuff you know when people 913 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:24,040 are kind of giving you a later [\h__\h] and 914 00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:26,710 ball oh you know when people actually 915 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:38,040 generally telling the truth but not now 916 00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:40,630 exactly exactly so you know that that's 917 00:45:46,109 --> 00:45:42,700 a really good skill to have and one that 918 00:45:49,319 --> 00:45:46,119 you must have in the peril but yeah so 919 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:49,329 you know I kind of knew instantaneously 920 00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:51,849 that this could be the real deal here I 921 00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:55,180 mean the family were shaken you know 922 00:46:01,680 --> 00:45:57,250 they were there too they were crying out 923 00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:01,690 for help so you know we spent several in 924 00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,200 a lot of hours at the house there was a 925 00:46:11,069 --> 00:46:07,599 point where we even gave the family 926 00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,079 money to have a day out so we could you 927 00:46:15,809 --> 00:46:12,880 know concentrate in the house itself and 928 00:46:17,789 --> 00:46:15,819 basically we was there to try and not 929 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:17,799 only attain some evidence of what was 930 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:19,990 going on but just to reach and I think 931 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,849 this is the most important thing when 932 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:23,920 conducting yourself in a point 933 00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:24,970 investigation you have to be very 934 00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:27,670 careful but I think it's more of a 935 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:29,980 reassurance thing when people approach 936 00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,200 you because if they are experiencing 937 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:34,000 some phenomena there's not a lot of 938 00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:35,950 people they can turn to so you are the 939 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:39,280 last port of call really so you know a 940 00:46:44,609 --> 00:46:41,770 lot of trustees has handed over and you 941 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:44,619 know but I think ultimately the the 942 00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:46,569 family were very grateful that we were 943 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:51,940 there we did catch some bits we did 944 00:46:59,309 --> 00:46:54,930 catch some some phenomena that they were 945 00:47:02,490 --> 00:46:59,319 suggesting they evidently moved moved 946 00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,500 home because the the activity did not 947 00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:05,440 see so you know and I hate to say it but 948 00:47:09,809 --> 00:47:07,030 a lot of these teams and stuff that go 949 00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:09,819 into houses and encourage cease haunt 950 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:12,670 this phenomena I think it's a low load 951 00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,770 of rubbish you know I mean as you 952 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:16,720 probably aware David report class 953 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:20,530 activity is very quick to develop and 954 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:23,930 does not a huge amount of time 955 00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:26,890 and people say that the house is still 956 00:47:34,299 --> 00:47:30,319 haunted by altar guys over decades are a 957 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:34,309 certain location is utter since and but 958 00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:36,609 anyway back to the the thing that I 959 00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:41,990 caught on camera I I set up a static 960 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:44,680 camera up in the child's playroom the 961 00:47:51,579 --> 00:47:47,690 the family are actually out on this 962 00:47:53,529 --> 00:47:51,589 occasion I locked the door so that I had 963 00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:53,539 the key or one of the members had the 964 00:47:59,289 --> 00:47:57,680 key and you know the cameras rolling you 965 00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,299 know and it was left and we had several 966 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:02,240 cameras scattered over that the house as 967 00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:05,210 it were now as you probably aware as an 968 00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:08,630 investigator you host painful thing is 969 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:12,319 not just being at the the location but 970 00:48:16,779 --> 00:48:14,329 going through the hours and hours of 971 00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:16,789 footage and audio clips and yeah and 972 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:19,670 Peter it's just absolutely incredible I 973 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:26,450 mean the master still after all the film 974 00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:28,730 or not roll the film but it's digital 975 00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:32,839 every day or whether yep I mean in this 976 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:35,660 instant we had temperature loggers we 977 00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:38,089 had cameras and these were rolling 978 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:40,430 appeared to 12 hours so you can imagine 979 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:43,609 the deck that we had so the camera that 980 00:48:48,819 --> 00:48:46,730 I had in the child's playroom I was 981 00:48:51,549 --> 00:48:48,829 reviewing honor I think it was honest it 982 00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,559 was on a weekend I've my headphones on a 983 00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:53,680 cup of coffee 984 00:48:59,529 --> 00:48:56,329 nothing nothing four hours four hours 985 00:49:02,920 --> 00:48:59,539 into it there was a bag well that's 986 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:02,930 interesting and anyway so that that went 987 00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,390 and and then all of a sudden what is so 988 00:49:14,109 --> 00:49:11,359 clear and if anybody out there would 989 00:49:15,970 --> 00:49:14,119 like this or a writ I can give you the 990 00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:15,980 original footage as well if you'd like 991 00:49:20,019 --> 00:49:18,049 that you know I I would sure I share 992 00:49:21,730 --> 00:49:20,029 everything David so you know and I've 993 00:49:24,279 --> 00:49:21,740 had several people listen to this as 994 00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:24,289 well so this was caught on a hard drive 995 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:28,309 camera i quartz and it lasted 996 00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:32,630 approximately oh it was seconds I'll say 997 00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:37,710 no more than six seconds it was a lady 998 00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:44,280 of probably I'd say mature hey it's the 999 00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:47,880 young lady you have but she was coming a 1000 00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,359 what I thought was a nursery rhyme or 1001 00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:54,720 humming some solitude and it was so so 1002 00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:59,339 clear I nearly dropped my coffee and I 1003 00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:01,740 well I actually thought one of the kids 1004 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:03,089 had come in or something like that 1005 00:50:09,049 --> 00:50:06,530 because it was crystal clear and I 1006 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,059 produced it to the team and they you 1007 00:50:14,839 --> 00:50:12,720 know they said you know this this is so 1008 00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,849 unexplainable you know that there was no 1009 00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,520 tape involved so some people might 1010 00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:18,960 suggest it that it might have been a 1011 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:20,910 previous recording well it's a hard 1012 00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:25,050 drive camera you know and it is so so 1013 00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:28,230 clear and if anyone would like a snippet 1014 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:31,859 of it or whatever please email no stop 1015 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:34,770 it so you could send it to me and I 1016 00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:36,510 could put it on my paranormal dimensions 1017 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:41,790 page listen to this can see it yeah yeah 1018 00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:44,130 and I tell you what I won't do because 1019 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:45,750 obviously that the original thing is 1020 00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:50,640 about twelve hours long so I I've 1021 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:54,329 actually got a snippet of the actual 1022 00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:56,970 humming but you but what I've done is 1023 00:51:01,849 --> 00:51:00,240 with the footage I've left in me leaving 1024 00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:01,859 the room and locking it so you can see 1025 00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:04,950 that there's no one else in the room the 1026 00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:08,040 camera is back to the wall and it's 1027 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:10,049 pointing in the direction of the door so 1028 00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:13,010 you can see there's nobody in the room 1029 00:51:20,289 --> 00:51:17,220 yeah so I caught that and that that was 1030 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:20,299 that was one of those moments you for 1031 00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:21,510 crikey 1032 00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:23,700 you know the hair I mean the hairs are 1033 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:25,859 standing up on my arm now I'm just I can 1034 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:29,130 I can I can always replicate that that 1035 00:51:35,289 --> 00:51:31,170 audio in my head because I've listened 1036 00:51:38,299 --> 00:51:35,299 to it about thousand times to kind of 1037 00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,309 eradicate any normality to it because it 1038 00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:41,220 was just not possible how how did that 1039 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:43,470 sound happen I don't know was it goes I 1040 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:45,690 don't know I don't know what a ghost is 1041 00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,130 I don't know what a poltergeist is 1042 00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,200 that's some fair for me to comment but 1043 00:51:54,140 --> 00:51:51,599 you know I caught that you know and 1044 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:54,150 it matched up with to what the children 1045 00:52:00,439 --> 00:51:56,130 were saying they were saying the lady 1046 00:52:02,059 --> 00:52:00,449 was was singing always humming and it 1047 00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,069 was interesting you know and and you 1048 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:05,359 know eventually the family didn't move 1049 00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:08,249 because we we're not there to kind of 1050 00:52:11,689 --> 00:52:09,630 bottle up ghost's this is not 1051 00:52:14,479 --> 00:52:11,699 ghostbusters you know we were still and 1052 00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:14,489 engaged as to what this phenomena it is 1053 00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:17,339 you know and I don't think we'll ever 1054 00:52:23,539 --> 00:52:21,180 kind of attained any any substantial 1055 00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,549 amount of evidence to say yeah this is 1056 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:25,619 what people experiencing I don't think 1057 00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:26,729 we will I think it's gonna be one of 1058 00:52:32,539 --> 00:52:29,670 those earthbound mysteries that we shall 1059 00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:32,549 never know it's very interesting story 1060 00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:35,309 though I suppose when you when someone 1061 00:52:38,779 --> 00:52:36,660 tells you something like that 1062 00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:38,789 you're then in a position where am I 1063 00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,079 going to Ahmet imagining this in my head 1064 00:52:46,939 --> 00:52:44,640 and of course when you call it an actual 1065 00:52:50,029 --> 00:52:46,949 audio recording of it then that kind of 1066 00:52:52,579 --> 00:52:50,039 confirms something doesn't it exactly I 1067 00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,589 mean and again I thought like you've 1068 00:52:56,989 --> 00:52:55,440 said I always doubt myself especially 1069 00:52:58,939 --> 00:52:56,999 when I experience something and I 1070 00:53:02,109 --> 00:52:58,949 mentioned at the start Cheryl probably a 1071 00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,119 hand one on one hand I've encountered or 1072 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:04,920 witness things I cannot physically 1073 00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:08,089 explain but there was there was just no 1074 00:53:13,009 --> 00:53:11,099 it was just nothing to kind of attain 1075 00:53:16,099 --> 00:53:13,019 that oh it could be this because there 1076 00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:16,109 was it was such an occult investigation 1077 00:53:20,689 --> 00:53:18,630 and to this day we actually conducted 1078 00:53:23,689 --> 00:53:20,699 ourselves very well back it back in 1079 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:23,699 those years and something I'm kind of 1080 00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:25,529 built on because you have to be 1081 00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:26,940 controlled when it comes to this yeah 1082 00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:28,859 sure you can't just jump to conclusions 1083 00:53:32,449 --> 00:53:30,599 and say oh definitely something 1084 00:53:34,189 --> 00:53:32,459 supernatural about something you've got 1085 00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:34,199 discount everything else that you could 1086 00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,249 quite a few radio shows ever knew in the 1087 00:54:01,489 --> 00:53:57,440 past apart from your own of course I 1088 00:54:04,269 --> 00:54:01,499 have goodness me go scholars grouse 1089 00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:04,279 chronicles international was probably by 1090 00:54:07,489 --> 00:54:05,339 actually 1091 00:54:10,999 --> 00:54:07,499 appeared on that I think three times and 1092 00:54:13,489 --> 00:54:11,009 that's with ronco lekin the the 1093 00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:13,499 fantastic Steve Parsons is the other 1094 00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:17,880 half of Paris science yeah that doesn't 1095 00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,559 that's an international show that's a 1096 00:54:24,009 --> 00:54:21,359 really really good way to show if you if 1097 00:54:28,759 --> 00:54:24,019 you want to listen to that's fantastic 1098 00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,769 oh you must oh yeah I think they did 1099 00:54:34,249 --> 00:54:30,660 podcasts and stuff but yeah again 1100 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:34,259 another great show that has a wide 1101 00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,150 spectrum of guests like your show and 1102 00:54:40,339 --> 00:54:38,400 like my show and and and it's something 1103 00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:40,349 that I have noticed over the years 1104 00:54:44,989 --> 00:54:42,630 there's been like a more explosion of 1105 00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,999 these kind of fantastic radio show I 1106 00:54:48,499 --> 00:54:46,319 mean people are spoilt for choice 1107 00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:48,509 it's really cool because I love 1108 00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:50,819 listening to other shows and and you 1109 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:53,579 know I you know it's really nice to hear 1110 00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,210 again different kind of speakers and and 1111 00:55:02,329 --> 00:54:59,400 experiences that people are having and 1112 00:55:10,029 --> 00:55:02,339 all in the comfort of your own home 1113 00:55:13,759 --> 00:55:12,289 we're all in this together we should be 1114 00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,769 sharing information whatever we've got 1115 00:55:28,660 --> 00:55:16,559 and and should all be we all be mates 1116 00:55:33,979 --> 00:55:31,339 Colonel Hall is own doing a conference 1117 00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:33,989 in September if you're down in this area 1118 00:55:41,989 --> 00:55:38,430 I mean I have I have seed and I believe 1119 00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:41,999 I said this this year is absolutely 1120 00:55:50,269 --> 00:55:46,140 manic and I think I know in September I 1121 00:55:54,259 --> 00:55:50,279 mean I'm visiting out which yes in 1122 00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:54,269 September so might be difficult but if 1123 00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:57,180 I'm not I will be definitely coming to 1124 00:56:03,349 --> 00:55:59,150 that event it looks really good yeah 1125 00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:03,359 it's a silly will but I mean if you 1126 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:04,529 think you might be able to get to it 1127 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:06,450 give me a shout and we'll see what we 1128 00:56:18,809 --> 00:56:09,210 could do it's gonna be an interesting 1129 00:56:22,769 --> 00:56:20,909 I'm sure it will be I'm sure be and 1130 00:56:25,499 --> 00:56:22,779 again you know the whole convention side 1131 00:56:27,329 --> 00:56:25,509 of things and UK is slowly creeping up 1132 00:56:28,769 --> 00:56:27,339 again so that's really good to say 1133 00:56:32,909 --> 00:56:28,779 really good say yeah we got you could 1134 00:56:35,309 --> 00:56:32,919 guess coming up on your shows ah crikey 1135 00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:35,319 I've got I've actually got the guys who 1136 00:56:42,709 --> 00:56:38,529 Carly invited me to their event last 1137 00:56:46,289 --> 00:56:42,719 night the UK paranormal guys they're on 1138 00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,299 Tuesday show I've got the lovely Kylie 1139 00:56:50,429 --> 00:56:48,640 Davis who's a local investigator she's 1140 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:50,439 vote she actually lives in the same town 1141 00:56:57,499 --> 00:56:54,249 as me she's coming on to speak about her 1142 00:57:00,059 --> 00:56:57,509 frustration as we better shouldn't start 1143 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:00,069 co-locations because I could say she's 1144 00:57:08,219 --> 00:57:03,249 from a very small group and she can't 1145 00:57:09,569 --> 00:57:08,229 get anywhere she's really really is 1146 00:57:11,339 --> 00:57:09,579 because there are some really really 1147 00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:11,349 good great groups out there and 1148 00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:14,169 unfortunately they're just very limited 1149 00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,900 at the minute and I can't see it really 1150 00:57:23,699 --> 00:57:18,880 changing with the kind of aspect of 1151 00:57:24,929 --> 00:57:23,709 locations pricing but yeah so what do 1152 00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,939 you think of some of these American 1153 00:57:30,749 --> 00:57:27,359 shows that are on I think they're very 1154 00:57:35,579 --> 00:57:30,759 no I think they Marvel everything don't 1155 00:57:37,739 --> 00:57:35,589 they well you know it's give or take it 1156 00:57:41,429 --> 00:57:37,749 I mean I tend not to watch any sort of 1157 00:57:43,649 --> 00:57:41,439 paranormal shows I mean I used to watch 1158 00:57:47,849 --> 00:57:43,659 most [\h__\h] I do remember watching season 1159 00:57:51,089 --> 00:57:47,859 one I think I watch two season free you 1160 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:51,099 know and my interest Windell then 1161 00:57:57,870 --> 00:57:53,650 rapidly when I saw actually what they 1162 00:57:59,579 --> 00:57:57,880 were really about so yeah I mean people 1163 00:58:01,499 --> 00:57:59,589 like that they're entertaining aren't 1164 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:01,509 they someone with this but Richard Felix 1165 00:58:08,989 --> 00:58:04,569 was in the earlier ones wasn't he is 1166 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:08,999 pretty much leave well Richards yeah 1167 00:58:14,279 --> 00:58:11,650 he's been on he's been on our show and 1168 00:58:16,349 --> 00:58:14,289 we've spoken several times as well and 1169 00:58:19,859 --> 00:58:16,359 I've been to visit him at Darby jail who 1170 00:58:22,969 --> 00:58:19,869 berry own star BJ oh yeah very the thing 1171 00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:22,979 is with Richard he is a fantastic 1172 00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:26,529 historian and the storyteller you can 1173 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:28,150 listen to him for hours honestly he 1174 00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:31,970 knows a lot of information 1175 00:58:36,010 --> 00:58:33,830 a lot of brilliant go stories I think 1176 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:36,020 you left can you give him a share ask 1177 00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:37,490 him to come on Marcia I think I have to 1178 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:41,660 give him a share I'm definitely hook you 1179 00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,450 up because ya like to say he's a he's a 1180 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:46,160 very knowledgeable guy I'd be great for 1181 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:48,890 your show and he's fascinating really 1182 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:51,730 what that once it's so powerful that 1183 00:58:58,690 --> 00:58:55,130 respect for him actually probably with 1184 00:59:03,099 --> 00:58:58,700 the ghost histories and everything we've 1185 00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:03,109 got a body up there tom we're running so 1186 00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:10,070 Nick show awful not careful sir they 1187 00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:13,220 wanna get in constant I do have a public 1188 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:15,710 page which is Thomas Warrington 1189 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:17,930 paranormal writer seeker of truth if 1190 00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:19,730 anyone wants to look at my articles a 1191 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,790 course my radio show pure power a radio 1192 00:59:28,810 --> 00:59:25,280 show with my friend Barry Frankish is on 1193 00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:28,820 pulse talk radio every Tuesday counts 1194 00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:31,849 seven and dog thinks on my page for all 1195 00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:34,640 that as well I do everything I can to 1196 00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,760 point people in your direction as well 1197 00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:38,960 anyway we've got the front we've got a 1198 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:41,180 sacred by Tom because as I said we've 1199 00:59:46,690 --> 00:59:43,010 run I'm gonna be running in my music in 1200 00:59:49,060 --> 00:59:46,700 a minute anyway Tom thanks very much for 1201 00:59:50,050 --> 00:59:49,070 coming on then thank you everyone out 1202 00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:50,060 there for listening you've been 1203 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:51,680 listening to the paranormal UK radio 1204 00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,690 network and this is paranormal 1205 00:59:57,579 --> 00:59:55,760 dimensions and on David Young and we've 1206 00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:57,589 been listen to Tom Morton why it's all 1207 01:00:01,300 --> 00:59:58,740 thank you coming